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Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First!

by pollbuster, Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:50:30 PM EST

I found this at a new Democratic Unity 08 site http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php? forumid=154972&threadid=1842442. It is apparently a copy of an email from Thom Hartmann of Air America Radio.

Obama - Ask Hillary First!

Air American:

The issue at hand for the Democratic Party for winning in `08 is not losing to McCain but losing to a divided Democratic party. The first thing Obama should do if nominated is put Hillary on the ticket. Will the Republicans have a field day with her on the ticket? Yes! Is their some bad blood in the water due to some negative campaign strategies on the part of the Clintons? Probably. Can Hillary be a tough fighter able to play tough allowing Obama to stay higher above the fray? Yes!

Howard Dean said a few months ago that the loser will be the most important person in the Democratic presidential run this year. Hillary's legacy in this 08 election could place her as the healer and bring together a united Democratic party. As a winning ticket they also move this country closer to healing the racial and misogynist undertones that still have roots.

Can you picture Denver with Hillary's delegates close to half of all delegates demanding that she be included on the ticket? To some it's a crusade. If Hillary was the one out ahead - by just a little over half - wouldn't Obama supporters want the same?

Obama's offer and Hillary's acceptance of an Obama/Clinton ticket hold the healing and the power to move this country in the direction of the real change in Washington that Obama talks about. First he must bring the Democrats back together again.

Obama - ask Hillary first. And if she should say no, the offer would still have a unifying affect.

--Thom Hartmann

The author has had a show on Air America radio ever since he replaced Al Franken who is presently running for Senator in Minnesota.

Tags: Air America, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

We're heavy into the 'bargaining' phase now, I see.

by neonplaque on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:54:54 PM EST

Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (2.00 / 1)

Nothing but propaganda. Hillary will be President, not VP.

I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.

by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:57:31 PM EST
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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

How could she win in the GE if she gets the nomination?

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:58:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

the same way Obama would.

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by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:33:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

Tell Bill.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:02:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Again. Will Hillary and Bill allow themselves (none / 0)

to be fully vetted by the Obama camp? If not, then this is a non-starter. That means that all their foreign money has to be examined and explained, Bill's relationships have to be explained both his business and personal relationships, Hillary's past has to be fully exposed and dealt with (i.e. You worked for a law firm headed by Communists? Is that true?), etc..

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:56:03 PM EST

Re: Again. Will Hillary and Bill allow themselves (none / 0)

And the best part (besides the fact that nobody has even tried to refute this)- what do people think will happen if HRC somehow pulls off a coup and switches all the SDs? That the Republicans won't vet her as well?

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:20:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Again. Will Hillary and Bill allow themselves (2.00 / 2)

you mean more vetted then Ken Starr did? Seems to me they have been down that road before and were fine. In any case demanding WE answer that question is kind of silly don't you think?

by zerosumgame on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:34:47 PM EST
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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

I'm sure he'll ask her first, but I don't think it'll be an Obama/Clinton ticket, and that's no disrespect of Senator Clinton. Just as Senator Obama wouldn't be the best suit for her VP, Senator Clinton's not necessarily the best bet for Senator Obama.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:57:41 PM EST

Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (2.00 / 1)

it's the best fit, because they both have enormous amounts of support from voters in the party. Unfortunately much of it is not naturally transferable.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:38:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Air America! (none / 0)

REALITY CHECK: Obama ain't the nomimee.

I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.

by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:59:18 PM EST

Then why is Bill pushing for the VP slot (2.00 / 1)

for Hillary?

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:02:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Then why is Bill pushing for the VP slot (2.00 / 1)

And why isn't Hillary vetting potential vp nominees?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:15:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Then why is Bill pushing for the VP slot (2.00 / 1)

Heh. I want Huckabee to start vetting potential VPs.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:16:39 PM EST
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Re: Air America! (2.00 / 3)

Hillary supporter here. The reality is quite clear, Senator Obama will be the nominee. The nomination is no longer an issue. The main issue now is building unity in the party so we can have a big win in November.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:41:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Air America! (2.00 / 1)

Thank you pollbuster.

by The Distillery on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:55:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

By mistake, I turned on Air America (none / 0)

and heard Randi Rhodes (she's been hired by our local affiliate even though she is no longer with AA nationally).

She was talking about a "unity" effort and saying that if someone who has been as controversial as she has during the campaign can take part in an unity effort, then so can everyone...cloaking herself in great sanctimony as she spoke, I might add.

It was all I could do to keep myself from gagging. Randi, you are such a "**cking whore!" Try apologizing a bit for your hate speech and then maybe you will have a bit of credibility.

I have always said I will vote for Obama if I have to, but please, please don't make me associate myself with Randi Rhodes in some great "unity" movement in which she is graciously condescending to include me.

by Radiowalla on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:07:21 PM EST

Re: By mistake, I turned on Air America (none / 0)

You are the one who just brought up Randi Rhodes, so no one is making you do anything.

Let me just be sure, however, you're not saying that you are against unity in the party, because Randi Rhodes is for it? And I hope you are not rejecting what Thom Hartmann is saying because Randi Rhodes was once with Air America. And finally the whole idea of unity is to bring people together who previuosly weren't together. IF Randi want's to now work for unity--I say welcome aboard. The issue is the democrats winning in November, and for this we all have to put our petty gripes aside.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:47:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's what I am saying (none / 0)

and I will try to say it clearly:

I think all Clinton supporters should vote for the nominee, whether it be Hillary or Bugs Bunny. Voting for McCain would be insanity.
If this is what you call "unity," then I am for "unity."

What I am not for is responding to Randi Rhodes' call to make nice and play together. I wouldn't give her the satisfaction of thinking that anything she said or did could possibly sway me.

I'm for all Democrats voting for our nominee, but Randi Rhodes can kiss my grits.

by Radiowalla on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:48:09 PM EST
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Re: By mistake, I turned on Air America (none / 0)

I was going to mojo your comment, but I can't being of the whore part of it.

Washington Woman
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by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:36:24 PM EST
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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (1.20 / 5)

Obama: I am the candidate of change, but I have just attached myself to the antithesis of change . . .a woman and political duo whose picture is in the dictionary under "cynical politics as usual".

That should go over really well...

by rf7777 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:10:22 PM EST

it wouldn't be the WORST thing in the world (none / 0)

Clinton might not represent change in terms of politicking and campaigning.

However, she does represent significant change over the last 8 years when it comes to policy.

I'm not saying I'd be thrilled to have her on the ticket, but I could deal with it by focusing on policy.

by emptythreatsfarm on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:21:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

Unfairly hidden.

The poster stated an opinion that is broadly repeated in the media, whether or not it's true.

It makes a valid point about the politics here.

Uprated.

by luckymortal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:52:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pollbuster (none / 0)

Pollbuster hands out donuts like candy to people he does not agree with.

by rf7777 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:12:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pollbuster (2.00 / 1)

I know.

Because of pollbuster, I mojod you all over the freaken place.

But I don't like retaliatory HRs. Not effective. Makes us look unfair. IMO, It's better to take the high road even when it's difficult.

by luckymortal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:21:33 PM EST
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Re: Pollbuster (none / 0)

Oh please, get off you high horse. Direct attacks on me don't do anything to build unity in the party. And direct attacks on a poster, are probably the worst kind of troll abuse. I'll refrain from troll rating you, however, because you appear to be overly sensitive to such ratings. Feel free to continue to troll rate me to death. I can take the heat, so long as I'm allowed to continue to pound away at the need for building unity in our party.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:33:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're right in part: (2.00 / 1)

You are right. I should have said "because of Pollbuster's unfair TRs." The way I worded it was not very effective. I'll also admit that I've seen you be pretty cool here, for a Clinton supporter. ;)

Now if you'll pardon me, I consider your accusation to be an invitation to proof:

BHere's the facts:

2/3 of you last 30 ratings were down-rates.

I'll admit that I don't know the history of all those, but as I look at a few I find they were not deserved. Even if they were retaliatory they were not deserved. There are many 1s against

My last 30:
Less than 1/3 of mine were downrates. They include both Clinton and Obama supporters. Most of them went to "blowjobBillClinton." An "Obama supporter."

POLLBUSTERS RATINGS VS MINE:

POLLBUSTER:

1) Re: She cannot [2.00], by luckymortal, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 01:54:16 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:58:32 PM EST

2) Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! [1.25], by rf7777, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/22/2008 01:10:22 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:48:07 PM EST

3) Re: Unity ticket is the answer [2.00], by sasatlanta, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 10:19:55 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 10:23:29 AM EST

4) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.66], by heresjohnny, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/22/2008 09:47:46 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 09:59:53 AM EST

5) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.66], by heresjohnny, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/22/2008 09:02:25 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 09:59:53 AM EST

6) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.66], by heresjohnny, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:41:09 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 09:59:53 AM EST

7) Tipped, Rec'd, AND a Question... [1.00], by RNinNC, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/21/2008 09:12:44 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 09:43:04 AM EST

8) I Don't Mean Any Snark [1.66], by RNinNC, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/20/2008 11:35:38 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 09:41:55 AM EST

9) How Do You Propose [1.75], by RNinNC, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/20/2008 11:22:59 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 09:41:55 AM EST

10) Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) [2.00], by chicagovigilante, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 10:55:35 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 11:04:00 PM EST

11) If it goes.... [2.00], by mady, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 10:47:39 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 11:01:38 PM EST

12) It's kind of weird to see how, [1.58], by Firewall, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/21/2008 10:40:09 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 11:01:38 PM EST

13) Re: McCain Now Officially Coming After Hillary Sup [1.00], by LordMike, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/21/2008 07:52:41 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 07:56:52 PM EST

14) Re: Uprated for the tr abuse [1.00], by lockewasright, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/21/2008 10:05:46 AM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 04:14:44 PM EST

15) Clinton proved that she's not a team player [1.66], by Hudson, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/21/2008 09:05:38 AM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 04:14:44 PM EST

16) Re: Sorry But This Crosses The Line [1.11], by ragekage, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/20/2008 11:01:24 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 12:35:23 AM EST

17) Read my new sig. [0.80], by Elsinora, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/20/2008 10:49:36 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 12:35:23 AM EST

18) Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! [1.46], by ragekage, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/20/2008 10:47:09 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 12:35:23 AM EST

19) Re: Obama has a 16 point lead in the Gallup poll v [1.00], by Sam Wise Gingy, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/19/2008 04:16:57 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 12:25:22 AM EST

20) Two questions [1.00], by Sam Wise Gingy, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/20/2008 04:23:39 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 12:23:47 AM EST

21) Maybe Hillary can stop Obama from [1.66], by Sam Wise Gingy, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/21/2008 12:15:19 AM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 12:21:14 AM EST

22) Re: fair point [1.00], by Sam Wise Gingy, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/20/2008 06:22:44 PM EST
Rated on 05/20/2008 07:24:12 PM EST

23) Re: HRC gets a Superdelegate from Mass.! [1.00], by comingawakening, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/20/2008 04:02:58 PM EST
Rated on 05/20/2008 04:18:12 PM EST

24) Re: Final OR thoughts and guide for tonight [2.00], by skywaker9, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/20/2008 04:03:37 PM EST
Rated on 05/20/2008 04:09:49 PM EST

25) Awesome. [2.00], by thatpurplestuff, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/20/2008 02:14:38 PM EST
Rated on 05/20/2008 02:47:51 PM EST

26) "Obama's muslim heritage?" [2.00], by Angry White Democrat, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/20/2008 02:13:25 PM EST
Rated on 05/20/2008 02:47:51 PM EST

27) I've only phonebanked into IN [2.00], by Student Guy, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/19/2008 11:10:05 PM EST
Rated on 05/19/2008 11:19:02 PM EST

28) Re: Barack and Hillary will share Florida stage (l [2.00], by colebiancardi, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/19/2008 06:15:18 PM EST
Rated on 05/19/2008 09:03:03 PM EST

29) Re: i don't believe it! [2.00], by jentwisl, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/19/2008 06:03:01 PM EST
Rated on 05/19/2008 09:03:03 PM EST

30) i don't believe it! [1.00], by brettjay, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/19/2008 06:02:13 PM EST
Rated on 05/19/2008 09:03:03 PM EST

LUCKYMORTAL RATINGS:
1) HATE [2.00], by LA, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 02:23:42 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 02:48:19 PM EST

2) So you can't produce a name [0.25], by LatinoVoter, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/22/2008 01:08:03 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 02:17:15 PM EST

3) Re: Don't Double Disenfranchise Me in Michigan [2.00], by rb608, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:19:07 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 02:17:15 PM EST

4) Re: Don't Double Disenfranchise Me in Michigan [2.00], by Drew4Obama, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:18:48 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 02:17:15 PM EST

5) Well balanced diary. [2.00], by Pravin, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 11:50:55 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 02:17:15 PM EST

6) Re: She cannot [2.00], by pollbuster, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 01:50:52 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:53:37 PM EST

7) She cannot [2.00], by zonk, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 01:18:27 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:53:37 PM EST

8) Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! [1.25], by rf7777, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 01:10:22 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:53:37 PM EST

9) Re: Do facts exist anymore? [2.00], by Aris Katsaris, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 06:01:59 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:16:38 PM EST

10) Re: Do facts exist anymore? [1.33], by belicheat, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 05:13:54 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:16:38 PM EST

11) Re: Do facts exist anymore? [2.00], by Aris Katsaris, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 05:45:04 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:16:37 PM EST

12) I think your alias is rude. [2.00], by Lord Hadrian, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 11:08:19 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:10:35 PM EST

13) Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) [0.25], by blowjobBillClinton, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/21/2008 11:03:22 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:10:35 PM EST

14) Re: Um [0.28], by switching sides, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/22/2008 02:44:14 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:07:26 PM EST

15) Re: How is it unfair? [0.00], by jedley, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/22/2008 07:46:14 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:06:29 PM EST

16) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [2.00], by sricki, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:42:28 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

17) Quit the ratings abuse, pollbuster. [2.00], by Shem, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:08 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

18) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [2.00], by heresjohnny, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 10:29:56 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

19) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [2.00], by heresjohnny, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 10:12:00 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

20) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.66], by heresjohnny, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 09:47:46 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

21) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [2.00], by shalca, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 04:10:09 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

22) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.33], by pollbuster, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:57:24 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:09 PM EST

23) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [0.00], by pollbuster, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/22/2008 09:58:13 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:08 PM EST

24) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.66], by heresjohnny, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 09:02:25 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:08 PM EST

25) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.00], by pollbuster, Rated: 1
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:50:15 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:08 PM EST

26) Re: Yes. Punish them. The RNC punished them. [1.66], by heresjohnny, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/22/2008 12:41:09 AM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:05:08 PM EST

27) Don't worry about it. [2.00], by Lord Hadrian, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 11:06:31 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:39:05 AM EST

28) How you get to Denver [1.75], by politicsmatters, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 09:40:54 PM EST
Rated on 05/22/2008 01:34:11 AM EST

29) Re: ANOINTING HIMSELF KING!!!! [0.30], by blowjobBillClinton, Rated: 0
Posted on 05/21/2008 03:18:39 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 08:13:08 PM EST

30) I just don't know. I'm reading this, studying it [2.00], by Lord Hadrian, Rated: 2
Posted on 05/21/2008 03:02:40 PM EST
Rated on 05/21/2008 08:13:08 PM EST

by luckymortal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:02:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My high horse: (none / 0)

Let me also say I appreciate your point.

I'm far from perfect.

Also, I'm not trying to be some goody two shoes Gandhi type. TRYING to be fair build your credibility. I just think it makes you more effective as an advocate and communicator.

So I try.

I don't always succeed.

by luckymortal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:10:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're right in part: (2.00 / 1)

I congratulate you on your research. If I ever write a book, I want you as my researcher.:) Please forgive me if I don't respond to each of these allegations contained in your research, but I don't have the time or energy right now to do it justice. So, I'll concede your point. I'll even take it upon myself to now exercise utmost care in my future ratings. I really wasn't aware enough about the sensitivities of others regarding these ratings. I hope we can now stop the personal attacks, and get on with the business of electing a president.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:17:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You Can Start (none / 0)

by going back and removing some of your more extreme examples of troll ratings abuse. But then again, you'll probably just use this comment to dig yourself in further. No worries, though, I've been around far too long to resort to retaliation.

by RNinNC on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:46:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thom Hartmann's radio show pre-dates... (none / 0)

... Air America by several years.

Air America just had the good sense to start syndicating it (it had been self-syndicated) when Franken took his leave. Hartmann still owns it, lock, stock and barrel.

I love Thom, listen to him almost every day, but he's just wrong on this one.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:13:43 PM EST

Re: Thom Hartmann's radio show pre-dates... (2.00 / 1)

You are right about every thing you say... except that last part.

Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog

by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:29:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She cannot (2.00 / 1)

force her way onto the ticket at bayonet point.

It's as simple as that.

To her credit, I think the tone from her campaign has been much improved over the last couple weeks.

That's a great start... now - I'm afraid she needs to start walking back some of the parlor trick policies she tossed out in the heat of the panderpaign (I'm looking at you, gas tax!).

She needs to undig her heels on FL/MI - it's pretty clear now that everyone but Clinton is amendable to a 50% seating solution.

It weakens the ticket otherwise.

The 'unity ticket' cannot be such if it's a marriage of convenience, conducted as a shotgun wedding.

We'll have nothing but process stories, from here till November.

Like I said - kudos on the new tone in her stump speech - it's a great first step.

Now - she needs to start modifying policy.

by zonk on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:18:27 PM EST

Re: She cannot (2.00 / 1)

Unity is obviously a two way street, and you make a lot of fair points.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:50:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She cannot (2.00 / 1)

Very gracious, and I love the tagline.

by luckymortal on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:54:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She cannot (none / 0)

Thank you, it's nice to get along.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:55:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She cannot (none / 0)

I disagree with the way you state this.

But.. as I said a long time ago, I feel that a shotgun wedding is in their future.

Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog

by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:29:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She cannot (none / 0)

With the way I stated or the statement itself?

Genuinely curious, because I did make an effort post it as non-inflammatory way, but I very much believe in the point.

While I suppose we're in the land of never knows now - I'd like to think I'd post the exact same thing were the roles reversed.

It's a generic thought on the POTUS/VP roles - and what happens when the nature of the pairing becomes a story.

It's simply not possible for such a situation to be detrimental to the ticket - and if the ticket survives, the ability of the President to do the job.

by zonk on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:56:39 PM EST
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Well (none / 0)

a little of both and this is what started it.

"She cannot force her way onto the ticket at bayonet point."

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by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:12:11 PM EST
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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

If Hillary was the one out ahead - by just a little over half - wouldn't Obama supporters want the same?

No.

This has been true throughout the primary. The idea of the 'dream ticket' has always been pushed by Clinton supporters and rejected by Obama supporters, no matter who's at the head of it.

It doesn't make any sense. Their style of governing is so different - they don't reinforce each other, and added to that, with Hillary as VP she'll be bombarded with "you said ___ about Barack Obama. Are you lying now or were you lying then?"

The opposite is true - as an Obama supporter who thought that Hillary Clinton would win - as most of us did - the idea of Obama as VP didn't make any sense either. And I would have had no problem voting for Hillary Clinton as the nominee.

Maybe someone who's thought this through more than I have can put it into words better, but by and large Obama supporters, with VERY RARE exception, have never liked the idea of the two of them on a ticket together.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:08:32 PM EST

Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

The important thing is not what you or I may like, but rather what serves the cause of unity. We can only beat ourselves in this election. We need each other to be sucessful in November. False pride doesn't win elections.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:12:56 PM EST
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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

Oh, I appreciate that fully - I'm just speaking to "wouldn't Obama supporters want the same". Technically no, at least I don't think so. But whatever it takes.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:39:45 AM EST
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Re: Air American: Obama - Ask Hillary First! (none / 0)

JFK, if you don't want no Bay of Pigs, please don't ask Johnson first. That's snark, btw. Better to ask the person you want most first.

McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.

by catilinus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:29:18 PM EST

Thom Hartmann (none / 0)

IS what talk radio SHOULD Be!

He out shines everyone on any of the TV "news" stations and everyone on the radio. Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes and the others like them are a joke compared to Thom Hartmann!

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by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:24:40 PM EST

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